Comments on: Let’s not Dilly-Dally: ColdFusion has its Merits

By: simon

simon — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:44:29 +0000

I work for a large organisation running Austrlian goverment projects, we are all split into teams working on various platforms and languages and it is always funny to see the other guys marvel when I (in coldfusion) can produce a project from start to finish in about 1/10 of the time they can.

I always laugh when I see comments like CF is dead when Australian goverments are throwing more money at CF then every before.

By: Allen

Allen — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:34:40 +0000

In regards to Mango’s comment, I’m not sure how CF would be dead if indeed all it’s missing is a good framework. Seems a bit like writing off a car simply because of the wheels it comes with off the dealers lot. What’s keeping a robust framework – again assuming it doesn’t already exist – like Django or Rails being written for CF? Like Simon mentioned, ruby was essentially an obscure, nearly unused language until a couple brilliant guys came along and built a wonderful framework for it. As far as I can tell one of their primary factors in picky ruby was simply that no one was using it. To me that shows not the power of the language itself but more so what a good framework can do.

I don’t get the python thing. Django seems decent enough. But my over opionated two-bits on python is that it was created not as a web application language but years ago by some fancy pants unix admins who wanted to look cool by using something other than perl. Sure, there’s a lot more to it and you can do some nice things. But I fail to see how it’s any easier to to use or any better.

I think the real problem with all of this language sucks and this is great stuff is that while it does have some merits, a lot of it nothing more than a bunch of geeks having the Calvin-pissing-on-a-Ford/Chevy/Dodge sort of verbal rant.

By: Proba

Proba — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:11:28 +0000

Coldfusion is the fastest way to build RIA! It’s just the best for building web sitetes in html.
I hope that coldfusion will last.

By: Simon

Simon — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:39:14 +0000

@Mango Damned if you support ColdFusion, damned if you don’t!

If I remember correctly, Ruby languished in obscurity until Rails came along and saved its day in 2004/2005. Should you therefore include it as a language of choice?

ColdFusion, granted, has had its bad times — version 6 was meant to be an epiphany for the product, but its redevelopment was implemented badly — but it remains a viable product through dogged perseverance, ease of use and compelling features.

It is the sole responsibility of the developer to build the framework, application or website using the most suitable tools available. If that is ColdFusion, PHP or Ruby it makes little difference. All I hear are comments like ColdFusion is dead, ColdFusion is a waste of time, none of which are backed by fact, none of which would stand against Jeremy Paxman, let alone someone even less knowledgeable on the subject, in a debate!

I see no valid reasons at all why ColdFusion is dead, a waste of time or any other negative comments that wish to be aired.

Wow!! Diatribe over and done with … and I thought I wasn’t that much of a ColdFusionphile!

By: Mango

Mango — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:30:10 +0000

reason #1, to go into how coldfusion developers are cheaper than ruby on rails developers is conveniently dismissing the fact that coldfusion, based on reason#1, is dead as a web development language. coldfusion needs to go away and people need to learn real frameworks and languages like ruby (rails), python (django), or c# (asp.net). I mean seriously, coldfusion?

By: Nick

Nick — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:19:27 +0000

“Alas I’m under NDA, but rest assured, there is going to be a significant intake of breath when developers get hold of the next release. ColdFusion 8 was firmly geared towards middle management with fuzzy additions, ColdFusion 9 is set to re-address the balance with compelling language and functionality enhancements. ”

I can’t wait to see it.

By: Simon

Simon — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:32:24 +0000

@cfbollocks (the pingback URL to a WordPress.com blog) I think you have missed the point of my post. I wasn’t simply extolling the virtues of ColdFusion over any other programming language. The key point is that people shouldn’t berate languages that they are not overly familiar with, they should take each one for the value they can deliver. If the preference is PHP or Ruby or Python, so be it.

Simply saying one language is rubbish or a waste of time, in an attempt to emphasise the virtues of one over the other is not productive and hints at the very tabloid nature of the discussion.

I certainly don’t condone the use of some of the language used against Aral in his post. He is entitled to his opinion and people should hold him to account in a manner that does not resort to base language.

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Aral Balkan drop the bomb « cfbollocks — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:20:30 +0000

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By: Dutch Rapley

Dutch Rapley — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:20:29 +0000

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By: Andy Jarrett

Andy Jarrett — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:04:44 +0000

@Tom K Check out https://freeriatools.adobe.com/coldfusion/